Ghillie Suits - Making Your Own:
USA - Sunday, September 27, 1998 at 00:53:23 (EDT)
Sherwood, Ar USA - Sunday, September 27, 1998 at 14:57:08 (EDT)
USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 12:59:55 (EDT)
Spidertown, arracniphobia Webworld - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 14:03:49 (EDT)
Fayetteville, NC USA - Monday, September 28, 1998 at 22:43:45 (EDT)
When I first started building ghillies hardly anyone put stuff on
the front. But back in those
days (1980 or so) our BDU's were made of thin ripstop cotton without the extra layer on
the knees and elbows that we have now. After 5-6 school stalks the things were a mess.
Most school stalks require the students to do a lot of crawling (at least at the schools I
worked at/went through). This resulted in a lot of students going to the canvas. (This
ended up with snipers schools being real unpopular with the motor transport types.
Students were doing midnight raids on the duece and a half canvas tops!) Now with the
BDU's having reinforced knees and elbows it may be redundent.
BUT! If I was building a ghillie to varmit hunt in or to use as a
cop I would go ahead and
insert the padding into the BDU knee/elbow reinforcement. This is because in these two
instances you will not need to hump as much shit as an infantry guy on extended operations
and can afford a little more bulk and roof tops, gravel driveways, rocks etc. can be a pain.
Use thin padding such as the vinyl car roof padding I have talked about before. I would
then have the bottom jacket pockets moved to the side and the top pockets moved to the
shoulders for accessability while prone then have codura nylon sewn over the front of the
pants/top and elbows. I like the codura because it is much more durable, slicker and dries
faster than canvas. It can also be found in camo patterns that match the BDU material.
Sherwood, AR USA - Tuesday, September 29, 1998 at 11:17:56 (EDT)
S.C.D.H., Ohio USA - Thursday, November 05, 1998 at 19:09:07 (EST)
RE: Discovery Channel Sniper School coverage
Yes, I saw that bit of footage regarding the Army's Sniper School, and I too found that spray paint thing a little curious, not that they used it, but where they used it! (All over the front of the suits!) That stress shoot they did looked a little funky too, where the shooters had to shoot through a bank of thick smoke with all the usual noise of rounds going off, etc. Anyway, it was a pretty good look at a military sniper school's training regime. The scariest part was looking at the babyfaces of the chilluns that were graduating from the school. Babes At Arms. They were KIDS. Guess we all were once.
PA USA - Thursday, November 05, 1998 at 20:30:16 (EST)
When I was preparing to go through Benning in '96 (Since the fricking Army doesn't recognize the USMC MOS) I had a buddy warn me about the spray paint deal. I replied that sounded too stupid and that they couldn't still be doing that.
Well big as shit during the first ghillie suit inspection "rattle, rattle, rattle" "what the f$??" If you had a spot larger than a fist they will nail you and if your glue job on the front canvas (which must be double layer on the knees and elbows they will spray it too. Talk about stupid.
I was so pissed I couldn't stand it. But being a National Guard guy I had to keep my mouth shut as a Guard guy will be sent home for breathing through the wrong nostril. So I just went along with the program and ghillied up like a chewbacka. They spent more time sweating ghillies than they did teaching to read the wind.
USA - Thursday, November 05, 1998 at 22:09:12 (EST)
Fayetteville, NC USA - Thursday, November 05, 1998 at 23:43:22 (EST)
Mike Flynn <email@example.com>
USA - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 15:26:43 (EST)
Men as a contributor to this site I find it my duty to advise you that if you are considering buying a prefab ghillie that you are blowing good money if you pay over 200.00 bucks on one. I have seen these things go for as high as 700 fricking dollars! Men, I am in the civilian firearms buisness now too, but I call for all of my buddies to drill me through the cranium if I ever start screwing people like that!! I'm not saying that the former Marine mentioned on here is doing this but I have seen the suits go for the above price. Spend the money on more ammo or ......take that extra "I just want to throw away money" money and make a contribution to "The Gooch Fund" c/o Storm Mountain Training Center, Elk Garden WV.
Men, I promise that soon I will throw together a piece for this site which will tell you how to build one version of this critter. It takes some work and a sewing machine or an upholstery shop will help, but you can build your own for around 200.00 or less. 99% of us that have done this shit in the military have built our own. Some guys (usually sailors:-)) want to avoid the stay up all night, wait til the last minute before the first stalk, hating life, needle and thread/shoe-goo ritual, but the rest of us real men go through it.
USA - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 23:17:59 (EST)
USA - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 13:40:16 (EST)
Okay roster hogs... whadaya do for cleaning your ghillie? I have one of the KUSA ghillie suits - which is pretty much a fairly well burlapped cammo top and a separately burlapped cammo bottom.
I ran each piece separately thru the washer (on gentle cycle). Then
put each piece in the dryer on a medium heat. It came out pretty good -
slightly fluffy (fluff man - eh?). Quite abit of fur in the dryer filter.
I was sure that this process would tie all that burlap into knots...
Thing is - now it smells too good... all someone has to do is catch a whiff of 'downy' or 'bounce' blowing down wind :)
Nokesvillle, Va, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:04:02 (ZULU) (your host address: 18.104.22.168)
Fayetteville, NC, USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 01:37:01 (ZULU) (your host address: 22.214.171.124)
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl,, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 01:10:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 126.96.36.199)
Your ghillie sounds as ratty as mine, you are right about the funny looks that you get from the fabric store ladies. I shook down one of the army/navy stores in town, they got me some rolls of 2" wide O.D. and tan burlap. The problem that I had was I had patches of minty fresh burlap surrounded with the old, tired stuff. All I had to do was abuse one of the local laundry-mats far, far from my house ( as not to be recognized by the management) It turned out really good after a spin on a Gentle cycle.
For materials, also try farmers markets, sometimes they have burlap sacks that they will part with.
Buffalo , NY, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 02:32:47 (ZULU) (your host address: 188.8.131.52)
Anybody ever tried Night Desert cammies for ghillie suit? Will let you know how they look when I get done, hopefully this century.
One the dimensions of sniper veil. Well all I did was take the ex's bridal train and died it cammo. Looks kinda sheek shimming around in the woods.
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 03:13:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 184.108.40.206)
Bill B <firstname.lastname@example.org>
ky, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 12:56:11 (ZULU) (your host address: 220.127.116.11)
LEARNING THE ZEN OF GRASS SEEDING, BYGAWD, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 13:46:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 18.104.22.168)
Charles Hopkins <IcyDeath@prodigy.net>
Orange Park, Fl, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 14:26:58 (ZULU) (your host address: 22.214.171.124)
For those that don't want to spend the time making a ghillie, Custom
Concealment offers a large selection from basic hunting up to heavy duty
military quality. All you need is to fray the burlap, trim it here and
there, then spray paint it for the terrain, tie it to your bumper and drive
around a little with it and you have a ghillie that is just as good if
not better than one you could construct. As far as natural camo goes, break
trail through heavy brush and you'll have all the natural camo you need
sticking to your ghillie. This is providing sound is not an issue. I use
their light military version.
Woodbridge, NJ, USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 14:46:43 (ZULU) (your host address: 126.96.36.199)
Am considering using 3 different net/burlap combos for three seasons. I am going to sew paracord loops on the base so that I can switch nets quickly. Just trying to figure way to secure to base properly.
Next thing. Going to sew "adequate and generous belly, knee and elbow pads in both my suits. Getting too old to get the appendages and the belly beat up. Probably going to cut up a sleeping mat.
Next thing. Thinking about using a Camelback Mule as belt and suspenders
sewed on to the pants. I have one suit that the guy custom sewed a bladder/suspender
combination onto the bottoms and it really looks neat.
Have thought about sewing two 70 oz. bladder pockets on a custom suspender on the bottoms that will have the bladders on both sides of the the suit under the arms. Will eliminate a hump on the back.
Next. I hate thumb loops, cuts thumb or makes them go to sleep. Thinking of sewing cammo cottom gloves onto the sleeves in place of the loops.
Most definitely going to sew leg zippers in.
I am not sure about hoods versus boonie hats for head cover. I guess both have their place but I am concerned about both pulling off when going under brush. Any suggestions?
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 21:03:14 (ZULU) (your host address: 188.8.131.52)
Next time I'm thinking of using volleyball pads that slip on over
your legs and arms under a ghillie. I may try to keep them "fixed" and
prevent any slipping with some kind of tape. (Not the kind that will pull
of every hair on my body - hopefully.)
USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 23:29:09 (ZULU) (your host address: 184.108.40.206)
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:50:22 (ZULU) (your host address: 220.127.116.11)
I recently saw some marine ghillies that used detachable netting panels. They had different panels ready to go for different terrain. It was more of a modular system that used a primary base uniform. Not rocket science, but an idea that I had never thought of over the course of six different ghillie constructions! The panels on the one I saw were attached with small fastex buckles.
A note on pads. I've tried the volleyball type (under the uniform) that cut off the circulation and the hard-shell entry type (over the uniform)that screw up a good prone shooting position. They both help on a stalk but have very serious drawbacks. I recently saw (see above) some high-speed dudes from Singapore that were wearing pads by RollerBlade. The attachment was velcro straps but there were no hard outer shells. The best of both worlds? I haven't tried them yet, but intend to. Consider it before throwing down cash on something that just looks cool. Speaking of looks, you might want to get rid of the big, shoot me please, reflective Rollerblade logo. They hadn't. WTF?!
SSG Maries/ 2-162 INF/ ORARNG <email@example.com>
OR, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 05:56:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 18.104.22.168)
Calif, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 07:04:04 (ZULU) (your host address: 22.214.171.124)
Went to WalMart last night, and they have burlap available by the yard. ( $1.48/yd )They had only threee colors, natural, white, and tan. In the past they had dark brown, and dark Green as well. I only buy the natural stuff, and dye it with Rit Dye.
Bill B <firstname.lastname@example.org>
ky, USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 13:50:42 (ZULU) (your host address: 126.96.36.199)
You are not padding the thing with the intent of being super comfortable whilst stalking. Its IMPOSSIBLE to do that. What you are padding for is to keep your knees and elbows from disintegrating. They will still chafe and get red/raw etc. Its part of the job and you learn to deal with it.
Anything that binds your elbows and knees will increase your pusle beat in those areas and are counter-productive to shooting plus elastic pads will cause sweat to pool up under there and make the booboos worse. The hard roller blade pads will slip around, which is again counter-productive to shooting. After a period of time you will get some manly calluses in these areas and things get better. Make sure to treat your little raw spots with antibiotic creams and the like or they can get real nasty.
I have found that the best method for padding knees and elbows is to diddy bop down to a auto upolstery shop get some of the padding they use for doing vinyl roofs (its closed cell, flexible and about 1/4" thick) insert it in between the reinforcing that is present in the military bdu's knees and elbows and call it quits. I used a sleeping pad on my last ghillie and it works okay but I have seen guys use the upholstery shit and it is great. While hunting one year I tripped and fell on a boulder behind my house up here in west by gawd. I had my ghillie trousers on and when my knees impacted on the rock it was cushy. If I was still active duty I would put the auto upholstery padding in all of my field bdu's and rig up velcro so I could take the pads out to wash them.
Codura is the way to go for the front. It is low friction when doing the low crawl, is water repellant and you can get it in almost all of the military camouflage patterns. If anyone can find it in chocolate chip desert let me know. I used old nylon sea bags on my last one and it worked great since the sea bags are pretty much water proof (kept the treated side inboard by the way).
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 15:21:50 (ZULU) (your host address: 188.8.131.52)
Ghilly suspenders !
I canned my elastic suspenders after my first stalk with a fully loaded suit. The pants end up around your knees, if they don´t now they sure will once it rains.
I went down to the auto salvage yard and cut myself some seat belts sewed them onto the rear of the pants first, loaded up and then stapeld them to the front for the first fitting test. After finding it OK I sewed them in place. Make sure to cross them in the back and to get the angles right so they conform to your beefy shoulders. Otherwise they will slip.
germany - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 16:19:19 (ZULU) (your host address: 184.108.40.206)
Be careful though. SOme hemp type rope has a "sheen" to it. The stuff I used didnt hold paint very well. After every stalk it was almost all gone. It also tends to want to re-wrap itself and looked like a Rasta hair-do. After taking my ghillie out of a stuff sack I had to "tease" it to get it to fluff. I felt like a hair dresser.
But the rope is tough and lasts for awhile and doesnt absorb water like the burlap. The ropes we used were old climbing ropes from obstacle courses. Im pretty sure it was made out of organic material. Nylon rope is out!!! It goes blond on you. As it was my suit looked like a grizzly bear from behind.
Go here for a look at the suit. No comments on the website yet. It
USA - Saturday, August 12, 2000 at 16:46:08 (ZULU) (your host address: 220.127.116.11)
Big John <BigJohn@1st.net>
Short Creek, Ohio, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 04:04:24 (ZULU) (your host address: 18.104.22.168)
1. Break up the outline.
2. Blend with surroundings.
It is very easy to go from an outline of a guy in cammies to the outline of a chewbacka. Dont over do it. You can obtain the desired outline defeating effect with a minimum of garnish. A piece every 4-5 inches can do it to break up the outline.
When it comes to blending use natural camouflage. Use the veg that the AO presents to you. You know what a big burlap covered human looks like in optics? A pile of burlap!!! Use natural vegetation.
Next bottom line in case some of you missed this thread the last 200 times it has come up is that a perfect ghillie wont do you as much good as a well planned route and proper individual movement techniques. Guys have literally stalked NUDE and reached a firing position. I've had it done to me when on the OP and so have a lot of others. DUdes, you cant see through a tree trunk, boulder, side of a ditch etc.
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 06:56:33 (ZULU) (your host address: 22.214.171.124)
Yep, and I used it on the ghillie too. I dyed it, and then cut it into odd shapes then stitched it to the suit. Sort of looks like leaves. It is mostly "trial-and-error" to get it to look okay.
Bill B <email@example.com>
ky, USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 21:41:41 (ZULU) (your host address: 126.96.36.199)
What is the reasonable distance that one should stalk and still remain realitively invisible? If you have an open field such as Carlos did in the 500 yard shot he made at the genreal, was that related to the distance that he wanted to get to or the distance that he could remain concealed?
I went out in the cow pasture behind the house this afternoon and tried to imagine what I would be colored as to remain concealed. Since it is mostly tall grass and a few bushes[mostly combinations of sage and light green colors] I got really confused as to how I could make it through the woods to the pasture using a light color that would match the pasture.
Folks I can tell that this is one subject that I guess you have to
be or have been there to understand. Next weekend going to put on the ghillie
and try to get the girlfreind to spot me in the pasture.
USA - Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 22:18:21 (ZULU) (your host address: 188.8.131.52)
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