Reloading - general:
I know you load progressive' and this is an extra step that is really
time consuming - still you might try it for your long range stuff. Something
to do after you have all the burlap in you guillie hand frayed and your
layin' back in your hide.
Seattle, WA USA - Monday, November 16, 1998 at 19:57:11 (EST)
Leander, TX USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 02:45:02 (EST)
B. Rogers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 10:05:25 (EST)
Ken (NoVa Shooter) <email@example.com>
Nokesville, Va USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 10:43:04 (EST)
B. Rogers <brogers@elkhart>
USA - Sunday, November 29, 1998 at 20:48:59 (EST)
Also CCI Br primers or Winchester primers are they as good as the Federal 210M?
Thnax in advance.
Al Ostapowicz <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Im traveling thru another dimension, not only of sight and sound but in , Ohio USA - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 22:56:31 (EST)
USA - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 23:58:53 (EST)
I'm shooting a Savage FP110 Tactical, in .300 WinMag. I'm experimenting with various bullets and powders, but so far its a close match between Nosler BT's and Sierra MatchKing. Best results seem to be with Noslers at 180gr, and Sierra at 200gr. Powder is ususally best between 69-70gr IMR 4350, but I have recently begun a few trials with 7828. I've not shot enough groups with 7828 to begin to assess it's accuracy, but my initial groups did not seem to be very encouraging.
I've put about 300 rounds through, so far, and my overall average at 100 yards is 1.3" I include every single shot I've fired in this average, including the ones I wish would go away, and some downright awful loadings. So my average is an accurate estimation and it is not "embellished" in any way. I'm honest with myself.
So when I hear of others like Fred? who is claiming .75" at 200 yards, I am a bit incredulous. Either he is being "selective" about his average (conveniently ignoring a few bad groups that really opened up his average), or else he is one hell of a good shot. Since I do not know him, I will assume he is just one kick ass shooter.
But my groups average 1.3" @ 100 yards. However, I have my good days and my bad days. I have some groups that are really nice (.36 and .56, for instance). What I am looking for above all is consistency. I wish I could lower my standard deviation. In other words, I wish my average was 1" with some at .9 and some at 1.1, rather than 1" with some at .5 and some at 1.5. I want more consistency before I work on greater overall accuracy.
I use R-P brass (nickle). I've just recently begun neck sizing only, but it's too early to tell if it is helping any. I figure it can't hurt.
Also, I've begun moly coating and I would like to know if it is possible that that could have an adverse effect.
I use a harris bipod on the front and a 25lb. bag of lead shot on the rear (that way, i can adjust elevation by squeezing the bag a bit and not heavy-handling the rifle).
Full details and some scans/photos of some of my better groups can be found at my website (www.wallaceinfo.com). Scroll down the left side index to the "target" icon under "Reloading Data" and have a look.
I use a database that i developed to track load data. It gives me reports that include such things as overall average, average for a particular bullet, average for a particular bullet/powder combo, average for bullet/powder/OAL combo, day's average, month's average, etc.
I use the compensated measuring technique (outer edge-to-edge MINUS bullet diameter).
One thing I notice is that my average is getting worse!!! My best daily averages occured in September, when I bought the rifle and have opened up thereafter. This is in conjunction with increasing the OAL to 3.6 inches. I'm thinking of backing off to 3.55" where my best group average seemed to be. I know that at 3.6" the bullet is definately touching the rifling - perhaps a bit too snugly. Is that possible?
Any comments would be appreciated. And be sure to have a look at my results web page.
Kirby L. Wallace
Kirby L. Wallace <email@example.com>
Tulsa, OK USA - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 17:26:23 (EST)
Several days past, I mentioned the use of 175 Sierra MK's in my machine rest. Sorry that I didn't back up the good results of those bullets with a load. Since the loads were not mine, I can take no credit for the superb accuracy.
As stated, the barrel was a 1 in 13" .298 - .3065 Krieger. The chamber was Obermeyer. The OAL in each case 2.80" to conform with Palma rules. The first ten shots were from 1992 Palma cases, Federal 210M primers and 45 grains VV N-140 (non-moly). The second ten were in Rem. BR brass, Rem. 71/2 BR primers and, again, 45 grains of VV N-140 (non-moly). Both groups were little knots (1 1/4") at 500 yards. The first ten shots were not chronographed but the the second ten produced deviations well under 10. This last load was used by a friend at Cedar Springs, Ont. on labor day and a 900M comparison was made with the Sierra 155 Palma. The 155 Palma bullet, with a comparable load, used about two minutes less elevation at that distance. For those interested in Varget, the classic load for the 155 seems to be 45.3 grains. The VV N-140 load at about 46 grains.
I note considerable interest here with the Hornady bullets. While
I've only tested 168 and 180 light mag factory loads, it was superb
in the above mentioned barrel. In a Hart barreled 1 in 10" twist
M-700, this ammunition did not produce good results. Whether this
was due to twist or internal dimensions of the barrel, I haven't a clue.
Just some pre-breakfast Friday morning musing.
Bill Wylde <firstname.lastname@example.org>
SE, IL USA - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 09:24:41 (EST)
Paul J. Headlee <the wife's got the computer at college>
Ogden, KS USA - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 01:37:04 (EST)
Well, now let's assume you don't have any reloading equipment yet.
I use a RCBS "Rock Chucker" single stage press, with Forrester Bonanza
Benchrest Dies. They have the "Micrometer" bullet seater, and a floating
case and bullet alignment set-up. Bottom line is I don't get any bullet
run out like I used to with the RCBS dies.
Bullet run out is when the bullet is seated in the case at an angle, causing inconsistant groups.
I use a Dillion vibratory case cleaner, with crushed walnut hull media to clean the cases. This saves the sizing die from excessive wear.
I also use a RCBS Hand Priming tool for the priming operation. I use Federal 210M Match Primers, but have had good results with Rem 9 1/2 primers too. I like Federal Match Brass because of neck-wall uniformity, Lapua is very good too.
I got a Stony Point Over all Length gauge set up to measure the length of my finished cartridges and to measure the freebore or length of the barrels throat. I try to duplicate the length and velocity of the Federal Gold Medal Match GM308M cartridges since this works so well in my rifle. 1/2 MOA is common.
I like Sierra 168's for ranges out to 600yds and Sierra 175's for anything over that.
For powder I like Varget. Vitta Vori N140 is very good too.
I should have listed this first, you need to get a good reloading manual, like Sierras or the Lyman manual. There is some good info in the book for begining reloaders, read and take your time. Most bullet manufacturers have a 1 800 line for techinical questions. Don't hesitate to call them for suggestions.
Check some of the reloading links here at SC too for some more info. This is not a complete listing of everything you need to think about, just an over view of some things to think about.
Handloading not only saves you money and produces very accurate ammo, it teaches you some ballistics and other things that affect accuracy.
There are Ballistic programs linked to Sniper Country so you can check out your handloads online too. JBM is a good one.
Bill Bledsoe <DC8PLUMBER@aol.com>
Shelbyville , KY, USA - Monday, February 08, 1999 at 22:54:56 (ZULU)
Anybody seen the Sierra video tapes on reloading?
Richmond, CA, USA - Monday, February 08, 1999 at 23:41:17 (ZULU)
Oh,and by the way, try ABC's of Relaoding by Dean G. .It is a nice introductory book that new reloaders should find helpful.I still use mine after having bought it 5 years ago.And if you are seriously interested in reloading than get yourself a subsription to Precision Shooting.While it is geared more for experienced reloaders I think you may find it helpful.
Also Keith,if you belong to a gun club then source out the most experienced reloader in your club and ask him or her lots and lots of questions!
Jeff Babineau <email@example.com>
Truro, N.S., Canada - Tuesday, February 09, 1999 at 01:53:25 (ZULU)
The Shooter <firstname.lastname@example.org>
College Station, TX, USA - Tuesday, February 09, 1999 at 04:22:57 (ZULU)
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