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Remington - Twist rates:

Well since everybody dislikes Rugers here I will only ask a simple question. I am in the market for a new .223 rifle it will be a heavy barrel gun and I would like to know how the new Winchesters are since Browning bought them out? The Winchester is the only gun available with a 1:9 twist the Remington and Browning only come in 1:12 I am looking to shoot heavy bullets. I have a couple of tack driving Remington rifles and I know how good they are. My friend has a Winchester M70 feather weight it will only print 1.5" at 100 yards no matter what ammo you are shooting. Do the new Winchesters stack up to Remington? I know the Marines used both Winchester & Remington in Vietnam. Also any thoughts on B.O.S.S. ? Thank you.

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Lee Erickson <>
Woodbury, MN., USA - Wednesday, February 10, 1999 at 09:29:47 (ZULU) 

The Remington PSS's in .223 have a 9" twist for the last few years, and the barrels are marked 9" twist. The Winchester barrels are 1.5 pounds heavier than the Remingtons... Wins are stainless steel, the Rems are plain ol' steel (can't speak for the Rem HB stainless, I understand they have been discontinued, call Rem). I have one of each and vote hands down for the Winchester... you don't need BOSS on a fat .95" bbl.
The Win Featherweight is a very light, short bbl, and most hunting rifles of this type don't shoot .5" groups. If they did, we wouldn't have to tote these 14 pound beasts around.
USA - Wednesday, February 10, 1999 at 11:53:38 (ZULU) 

You where right about the Remington .223 700P it has a faster 1:9 twist for heaver bullets. Remington sent me a very nice E-mail telling me about the tactical weapons systems they sell and I will forward to to anyone who wants a copy. Here are some part numbers from the E-mail.

model 700P .223 Rem order no. 5714
model 700P DM .308 Win order no. 5715
model 700P DM .300 Win Mag order no. 5717
model 700P DM LTR .308 Win order no. 5713
model 700P DM TWS .308 Win order no. 5712

The TWS system comes with a Leoupold 3.5 x 10 scope Duplex reticle flip open lens covers. A Harris bi-pod, a Michaels 1" quick adjust sling with swivels, a rugged Pelican hard case to carry the gun.

The 700P DM LTR has a detachable magazine slimmed down stock, fluted 20" barrel.

They where also kind enough to leave a phone number to call if any one else has questions. 1-800-243-9700 M-F 9am-5pm EST

So I guess now all have to do now is choose a between the Winchester & the Remington now. Thanks for all your help.
Lee <>
People Repubilc of Minnesota, USA - Thursday, February 11, 1999 at 22:03:52 (ZULU) 

> Subject: Rifle Twist?
> I am looking for a faster twist riffling in a .223 caliber. Your
> brochure says a 1:12 twist for the model 700 VS. I was told on another
> web site that you offer a PSS 700 in a faster 1:9 twist is this true?
> I am looking to shoot heavy bullets and need a faster twist. The only
> other manufacturer is Winchester they offer a heavy barrel varmint gun
> with a faster 1:9 twist rate. I love my Remingtons and would like to
> stay with your company. Please advise if there is any info on this
> gun. Thank you.
> Lee Erickson

Dear Sir,

The heart of Remington law enforcement rifles is the legendary Model 700
action. This is the same attain that is at the core of the advanced M-24
Sniper Weapon System we built for the U.S. Army. It's also what makes our
handbuilt Model 40-XB rifles so accurate and rock-solid dependable.

The foundation of the Model 700 action is its unique bolt design. The bolt
face, barrel, and receiver surround and support the cartridge head with
three overlapping rings of solid steel. The Model 700 receiver is machined
from a solid block of ordnance-grade steel, then drilled and tapped for
scope mounts. All of our standard Model 700 Police rifles have heavy,
free-floating 26" barrels crowned at the muzzle for unparalleled accuracy
and stability. The Model 700P LTR features a fluted 20" barrel and is 1
1/2lbs. lighter than the standard 26" version. In the .223 Remington
chambering, the twist has been changed from 1 in 12" to 1 in 9" in order to
maximize the ballistic stability of heavier bullets. Model 700s chambered
for the .223 Remington have five-shot capacities and hinged floor plates.
Guns in .308 Win. and .300 Win. Mag. calibers are now equipped with a
quick-change, four shot detachable magazine.

Both the standard Model 700P and the Tactical Weapon System feature
composite stocks reinforced with DuPont Kevlar and fiberglass. They'll stay
dimensionally stable in any weather and under the worst tactical situations.
The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that
runs the full length of the receiver. It has a textured, black,
non-reflective finish and comes with sling swivel studs.

The TWS package includes a Leupold Vari-X III (3.5 x 10) scope with a Duplex
reticle and flip-open lens covers. A Harris bi-pod, a Michaels 1"
Quick-Adjust sling with swivels, a rugged Pelican hard case, and samples of
Remington gun care products to round out the system. It's only available in
.308 Win./26" barrel.

The new Model 700P detachable box magazine allows greater speed and ease
when loading and unloading your rifle. It also allows the carrying of a
variety of rounds to adapt to any tactical situation. the detachable
magazine feature is available in .308 Win. and .300 Win. Mag. caliber
offerings All stainless steel box construction assures durability and
weather resistance.

The Model 700P DM LTR (Light Tactical Rifle), chambered for .308 Win.,
features a detachable magazine and slimmed down stock. The flutes in the
20" LTR not only assist in weight reduction and heat dissipation, but are
engineered to enhance barrel rigidity for pinpoint accuracy.

Model 700P .223 Rem Order No. 5714
Model 700P DM .308 Win Order No. 5715
Model 700P DM .300 Win Mag Order No. 5717
Model 700P DM LTR .308 Win Order No. 5713
Model 700P DM TWS .308 Win Order No. 5712

We hope that this information will be helpful to you. If we can be of
further assistance, please contact us at 1-800-243-9700, M-F, 9am-5pm EST.

Lee <>
Peoples Republic of Minnesota, USA - Friday, February 12, 1999 at 01:35:12 (ZULU) 

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