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Ruger Mini-14:

All right guys, I'll never bring up the subject again IF you gimme your best shot on this one last time.

Mini-14's. Now, what if I said I could get one:
that weighed within 1/2 pound (+/- half pound) of a M-4
has a 16.25" barrel + flash hider, and printed 4 to 6" at 400 yards
and totally reliable, with a good (spelled aftermarket) trigger.

Made by the same guy that supplied them to the SEAL FAC team that lead the way into Kuwait, among many other odd teams and groups.

Spoke to the guy in detail last night (hour or so), and he sounds like a smart cookie. Brought up the fact that the guy that designed the Mini was on the design team that came up with the M-14 from the Garand, so the design is sound, but the execution sucks.

I'm gonna check his references, he says Clint Smith would welcome one of his rifles since he's had plenty of first hand experience with this individual's work, but turns away all other Mini's in a heartbeat.

Or, failing that, taking a rack grade M1A to the CQB class ;-)

Bravo <>
the banana republic formerly known as the, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 17:51:06 (ZULU) (your host address:

Bravo. damm dude you are killing me with this Mini 14 thing. I said what I thought of them. You buy and show up with what ever you like. I would try and teach you to get the most out of a sling shot. The SEALs using Mini 14? You make a mistake maybe? Last I heard the work out gods used M4 and M14's for the most part. I would like to see the thought process that suggested any Mini 14 was half as good as a M4 or M14. Must be that great gas system or captured recoil guide rod, oh sorry the Mini 14 has neither. Even if you get one to work fairly well, magazines are slow to change and the good magazines are hard and expensive to find.Last bit of advice never try and make something out of nothing. You will end up with a mini 14 that cost morte than a good AR. Just get an AR/CAR and you wont be sad.
Mike Miller <>
Calif, USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 18:49:12 (ZULU) (your host address:
Mini-14 as a tactical rifle?? Puuullleeze.

THere is no reason to look anywhere else than the flat top AR15A2 varients for the best 5.56 assault type rifle PERIOD.

Out here
Gooch <>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 22:28:31 (ZULU) (your host address:

Last year the smith at Gunsite told me that a mini-14 has never finished the carbine class without a mechanical failure. That's a LOT of mini-14s.

If you feel lucky, take your paycheck to Las Vegas. And buy a nice Bushmaster.

CDC <>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:05:36 (ZULU) (your host address:

Mini 14's SUCK. Owned one for a whole hour one day. Sold it to the guy beside of me for less than I paid. The next week he had sold it again for less than he paid me. I have shot well over a dozen of them and all of them had malfunctions and none could group 5 shots in a bull's ass. I did hear of one police special one, whatever the hell that is, that would group 1", geez nothing to brag about there. Gitchersef a good Bushmaster and have a blast.

Bolt <>
USA - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 23:52:01 (ZULU) (your host address:

As for Mini 14s, I been aroud a number of them and, while they certainly rank right up their with the AKM as a benchrest rifle, they have always functioned very well. What is breaking on all these guns in the tactical schools? The only one I ever actualy saw with something broken on in my time in the gunsmith biz was a Ranch Rifle with a busted rear sight.

Tom Simpson <>
Colatown, SC, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 03:38:40 (ZULU) (your host address:

Mini 14's; not quite as bad as some say here or as good as most of us would like. The clip is indeed slow. IT's no better physically but much more reliable to feed than a M-16 when it's seated ;in place. That gas system is plenty reliable and good as anything else as far as shooting all day or next month without cleaning if need be. That bolt doesn't break but the rear sight on a Ranch Rifle is indeed a bit flimsy. It is now... a "Ghost ring" and works but just as a sub. in case the scope or Aimpoint fails. The scope mount (RR) is as good or better than most especially that flat top variant Colt or Bush or it's crappy handle made for god knows what except to mount that sorry ass sight. The weight is much more portable than the Colt as far as effeciency goes. Unless you want to use that piece of sewer pipe they call a collapsable. IT (Mini-14) doesn't bend in the middle, flop around or break as often as M-16's do. The standard Mini 14 is unsuitable as a place to mount a scope as are most rifles like the M-14 M-1 M-1 Carbine and BAR AK-47 and variants or LAR's for that matter. The safety is right there where you can feel it if you screw up and it is positive as the M-14 or anything else.. It's easy to take down and doesn't have any little springs or screws that fall out and get lost.
The trigger group is easy to get too and clean disassemble or whatever you want.
IT doesn't dig a hole in your back when you carry it and you can get down in the grass as opposed to using the hand guard for rear pod. The Ranch Rifle is not accurate as some if you go by bench standards but we just had one down here that had been customized with a new barrel and would shoot with anything (auto) you have. We dumped it because it was a brother to Ken's towed. I have no use for heavy guns like that but it would do 1/4" all day. The receiver had standard Weaver bases and that's reasonable to expect to have to drill and tap a semi auto. The trigger is superior in a lot of ways to the M-16's and others like G-3s or .... The Mini needs custom work for accuracy as do most of your 700 Remingtons but it's not as good as I would like or as bad as most of you say. I've owned and shot many AR-s and Mini's and it's a matter of taste. I've never been overwhelmed with the Mini or the AR either. But that's the truth as I know it. I wouldn't equip my army with one probably but you could do worse. I wouldn't use a M-16 either.
Seals? I dunno, but I doubt if they used them much cause SEALS like to be cool above all else and they ain't cool these days. Wasn't too many years ago a fella took the SOF match with one (14)I believe it was stock except for the barrel. Bill Ruger is a machinist not a gun smith and just gets lucky and finds something he can copy once in a while. If he'd put a barrel on it you'd all be shooting one probably. Tom's right they don't break very often but often they are chosen by those not too much in the know about what is cool at the moment. They ain't cool but they won't fail you. Wish I could say that about a AR. Been there and done that somewhat or I'd not say anything. I have one because they are light, and usable in any kind of weather anywhere and don't break and jam like my AR's did. Mine might be exceptional but it will put em all in a foot circle at 500 with a Aimpoint sight and an old blind man shooting it or at least it did. I've seen worse.
I'm not scolding you here men just adding a little opinion. I don't know how many have actually shot them and how many are repeating gun show or range gossip but that's my story and I'm stickin to it.
B.Rogers <>
USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 04:37:49 (ZULU) (your host address:
Guess I'm gonna load up some blasting 5.56 ammo in preparation of the CAR type's return. Another name to come up with. Now you guys know why I've been selling off stuff. Is the 55 FMJ all right, or should I step up to the SS109 for about double the cost (hey, it's CLOSE quarters, right?)? Oh, and one last thing. I don't recall the difference between the A1 and A2 stocks besides seeming like the A1 was about an inch shorter. What's the differences on these? I've decided to take Geoff's advice and go with a fixed A1 stock with A2 buttplate over the telescoping, since I figure that I won't remember to pull it out when my feet hit the ground. Feel free to give me a hint or two on the buttstocks (and opinions on the tele-pipe).

Thanks guys!
Bravo <>
reno and the "rule of law". What a farce, USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 23:41:37 (ZULU) (your host address:

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