USA - Monday, December 14, 1998 at 01:03:23 (EST)
Even if that Savage grouped "poorly" (1.75" at 200 yds) it would still be a genuine keeper! I up the bids $50.00, Hey what is this E-Bay or somethin!
Larry, Don't change ANYTHING with that firestick if it consistently shoots that well,
Oh, by the way what are you neck sizing the brass to?
BIG-CITY, BY-GAWD USA - Monday, December 14, 1998 at 11:38:36 (EST)
Area 51, NM USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 00:14:36 (EST)
The Savage is a good rifle, especially for the money. The only downside to it (in .223) is that you need to watch the rifling twist rate. On the older ones, they are 1:12, which is too slow for the 69 grain match bullets. The newer 110s (and all of the 10FPs) are now 9" twist.
Another small "tweaking" note: Torque the receiver screws down uniformly and use some Loc-Tite on the screws. I was in a course a couple of weeks ago with two fellas using 110s. On both of them, the screws backed out and caused a rapid changes in zero. It was finally isolated in Day 3....
Bruce Braxton <email@example.com>
College Park, GA USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 02:46:39 (EST)
I have a question about the Savage 110 FP rifle and long-action rifles in general. Do any of you have any experience with these type of rifles jamming? I recently read a sniper's comment that unless the ammo is pushed all the way back in the magazine, long-action rifles tend to jam. Is this typical? I intend to purchase a rifle soon and want to know if I should consider a short-action rifle. Are these any better for that matter?
Marshal Childers <firstname.lastname@example.org>
USA - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 21:38:38 (EST)
No, I'm still using the Remington action in my custom-built rifles, but I think you'll all agree that there is no finer out-of-the-box rifle than the Savage Tactical. And topped off with a good scope (Leupold, B&L, or even the Burris), it is a tack driver.
Bill Martin <email@example.com>
USA - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 21:53:29 (EST)
Reference your comment, "there is no finer out-of-the-box-rifle than the Savage Tactical".
You've got to be kidding me!
First of all, the trigger is crap. It falls out of adjustment after less than 100 rounds, unless you use ample amounts of 5 minute epoxy on the screws. That usually gives you another 200-400 rounds between trigger adjustments. Thats efficient.
The stock forearm is about as rigid as a piece of Saran Wrap. When you do pull it out of the box, you've got to pull it out of the stock and route the barrel channel out so the barrel doesnt make contact. Even after you clear the barrel channel out, you have to fill the forearm with some type of stiffening compound such as bisonite or devcon to get some forearm rigidity.
And if its such a "fine" rifle, why dont you build your company rifles based on Savage actions?
USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 18:30:29 (EST)
Hang on here hos'. The Savage may not be the "finest out-of-the-box"
tactical rifle Billy says but its no reason to get hostile! And IMHO, I
own 4 Savages everything from a .22LR LV, a 110FP in .308 to a 112FV in
.22-250 and a 110FM in .308, they are as good OUT OF THE BOX STOCK no work
of any kind, as any other manufacturer out there. Yes the trigger needs
work - but I've never had ANY of the triggers "fall out of adjustment"
on any of my Savages after I don't know how many rounds! And as far as
the stock forearm being "rigid as a piece of Saran Wrap" I don't know again
I have 4 and NONE of them has any problem with the forearm touching the
barrel! In fact all four of these guns shoot better than I can - and I
shoot pretty well! I've also had Remingtons, Rugers and Winchesters that
I didn't find all that accurate either. In fact had one Remington .30-06
with a wood stock that had to be bedded before I could get it to hold one
(1") groups at 100yds. None of my Savages are bedded!
Well here we go Savage bashing again!
Area 51, NM USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 18:56:34 (EST)
Area 51, NM USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 19:02:44 (EST)
If any of you snot nosed kids want to test me, we can have a shoot
off where you shoot your chandlers, lous and what ever else and I will
shoot my stone stock Savage .243. Any takers?
Chuck Taylor <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Ristour, Texas USA - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 19:14:10 (EST)
President, Line of Departure Training Associates
Bill Martin <email@example.com>
Houston, USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 00:22:00 (EST)
Al Ostapowicz <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Taking a Chill Pill here in the Sunny Chill of Northern , O-Hi-Er USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 21:06:40 (EST)
USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 09:18:45 (EST)
Pat;I've got 3 out of the box remingtons that are guaranteed not
to shoot 1/2" every time. As I've said in the Archives. If your gun shoots
1" one time and 3" the next you have a 3" gun not a 2" er.
If it shoots under 1" 99 percent of the time it's close to a 1" gun.
That included the first shot out of the cold barrel by the way!
USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 10:39:12 (EST)
Savage uses the stock it does to provide you with an affordable decently accurate rifle. Where they to install a stiffer higher quality unit, the retail price would be raised accordingly and this would put them in line with some of the higher dollar factory rifles - which would move them out of the market they currently have - a lucrative market they enjoy. Some conjecture: Savage smartly considers their reputation, deserved or otherwise. They see that a $600 dollar 110FP with a top notch stock can not compete with an equally priced brand X due to Perception. They then choose to keep the status quo and sell gobs of rifles with the stock they currently have. Why? Because for the current price, it sells. Ron Coburn is a good businessman. He ain't stupid. I think of the 110FP in these terms: a good barreled action waiting for the right stock. If you buy one, just consider that factory stock a gimme. It came free with the action. Replace it when you can afford to, or shoot it as is if all you do is plink.
I can not speak about the Savage trigger issue as I have not played with it enough, but there will be good after market units soon. For a guy stuck on a limited budget, you can not beat the 110FP, or 10FP. They shoot well and are upgradeable. Would it be my fist choice if I had unlimited funds? No. Not today at my age and income level, but if I were 22 and fresh out of school, looking for an accurate rig to play with, certainly. But until I beg borrow or steal a Savage and live with it in a field environment for weeks, I can not discount it wholesale. If some of you have done so, and I mean REALLY used the thing in the field (be it in training or police work), please comment here on you experiences. I do not care about this range-shot group or that one. I do not care if you think it is the cats me-effing-yow. I want details on real field use, in weather, mud, rain, and crud. Dragging it around. Dinging steel (or gray matter) from 75 to 1000 yards. Ideal range conditions do not apply on Sniper Country. If the 110FP has held up well under those conditions, in completely stock form, we need to hear it. My guess is that it could not due in part to the stock. But I would be happy to be proved wrong! I have no beef with the big S as a company and believe they fill a niche. And more power to Coborn. He has really brought that company around.
To give credit where it is due: I have fired a friends 7mm Magnum with an after market stock that would hold an HONEST .7 moa group in all conditions tested. No BS once in a life time group. I fired smaller groups with this rifle, in the .4 to .5 range, but the group average was .7moa. No bullshit benchrest 200 yard groups. Just honest performance.
I have repeatedly heard other posters on this site say that they have Savages (and other brands!) that will shoot ½ moa or less at 200 yards and beyond. Sure, we have all done that. But every day, day in and day out? In REAL conditions? I seriously question the validity of such a statement. Especially when worded to appear as though every one of this or that persons personal rifles will do this, or that this or that brand will do this. Those kind of statements bother me because when coming from someone who sounds like he knows his stuff, or is known to be an authority, novices will run out and buy something based on that opinion. They in turn are greatly disappointed when reality hits. Worse, they may come to believe that their skill can never be good enough because they can never match this mythical goal. And there is the rub. Wild claims can be made. They can help improve ones standing or reputation. They can certainly sell a product. But the real loser is the reader or prospective buyer who may not know any better. In the end, making claims of this nature is a disservice to the people one intends to help or inform. It can be interpreted as a way of keeping oneself ahead of the pack if you get my drift.
To sum it all up: There ain't no magic bullet. Rifles are only as good as the shooters behind them. Hype is meaningless in the field. Buyer beware. You get what you pay for. Don't believe everything you read. And finally, the meaning of the universe is 42…42 what? I just don't know.
Now play nice. But tell it straight.
USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 13:28:39 (EST)
S.C.D.H., Ohio USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 18:04:39 (EST)
Mike M. <DMMDNLN@AOLL.COM>
Calif USA - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 10:43:20 (EST)
north of area 51 N.M., UT, USA - Sunday, January 17, 1999 at 01:22:44 (GMT)
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