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Scopes - Unertl:

I see alot of feedback regarding the B&L and the Leoupold tactical scopes - are the Unertl scopes still in the running these days?

I've seen the Unertl's in several applications - but have never used one - How do they stack up? anyone have any experience with them?

Thanks in advance,


NoVa Shooter <>
Nokesville, Va USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 00:31:30 (EST) 

On the Unertl sniper scope. You're not going to find too many floating around out there for civilian purchase. You might run up on one at a gun show but I don't believe they make them anymore. Besides they were state of the art in 1981 but the newer scopes have eclipsed them long ago. This is coming from former Marine sniper who used and taught the thing from its inception. I wuold love to have one to hold and caress at night while I sip Guinness, watch "Gung Ho" on the tube and think about the old days but not to shoot with in place of a Leupold M3 whick is state of the art now.

gooch <>
USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 10:53:45 (EST) 

I've heard of occasional USMC Unertl 10x scopes at gun shows, but the sellers were always asking a few thousand for one, and most likely, it would be stolen government property. I believe Unertl only sold the scope to USMC and FBI. I've also heard there are only about 5 or 6 in civilian hands, they are all serial-numbered, and Col. Chandler knows where they all are. Rick, Gooch, etc., any comments?
Bach Melick <>
New Orleans, LA USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 11:34:03 (EST) 

Unertl Scopes:


your right on a few points about the unertls out there....yup, they are in the thousands of dollars ( i know cuz i sold mine (ser#2060) for quite a bit). all at the gun shows are not stolen, if you look on the left side, it will say either sniper (which are not stolen and only 31 exist as of right now) and the other is USMC ( which is a dead give away for being stolen from the Corp). and i can vouch for gooch fondling my unertl for hours from where he wore the camo paint of it. its funny to watch him get that teary eyed look when ever he held it.

kudu out
allen <>
USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 15:45:01 (EST) 

Re: Unertl, John

In the early to mid 1980s John (jr.) and Elsie would set up at Camp Perry with Champion Shooters Supply. Each year I would ask him when he was going to produce a civilian sniper model. He always declined siting the prices involved. I let him know they would sell regardless of price, but apparently wasn't convincing enough. From what Elsie told me, rifle scopes are only a very small part of their business and that the core of their business was surveying equipment, aircraft simulators, etc. Don't quote me on any of this, as it was long ago and things may have changed.

Ron N. <>
"buckeyes are worthless nuts" USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 21:37:48 (EST) 

This probably qualifies as the dumb question of the day, but, gotta ask. Why is the Unertl 10X USMC scope unable to be purchased?? At least I have found it impossible. If anyone knows a source, or a how to, I am all ears.

Old Dog
Bruce <>
USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 00:16:35 (ZULU) 

OldDog: No, not the dumb question of the day. I've often wandered about that. If they're that good - then put those bad-boys out on the market and let us fight over them. I have to believe that there are other modern optical systems that may be as good as or better than the unertl's

Ken :)

ken <>
Nokesville, Va, USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 00:41:22 (ZULU) 

Old Dog, and Ken,
The Unertl is an excellent scope as far as durability, and ease of use. The Optical clarity could be better though. Leupold scopes are much better quality but could never hold up to the abuse that the Unertl does. From what i have heard (just scuttlebutt mind you). The Unertl is not available to the general public because of supply problems. The last i heard they were having trouble keeping up with their government contract. The Marine Corps is currently looking for a Day/Night scope to replace the Unertl. The bottom line is, if you are planning on using your rifle as a club, or dropping it out of a 5-ton truck, then the Unertl is the scope for you. If not, then don't worry about it.

Keep It Real
John <>
Camp Lejeune, NC, USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 02:37:31 (ZULU) 

As to Unertal (bad spelling) scopes, they won't sell even to L.E. with letter head. Why they only know.
Calif, USA - Wednesday, February 03, 1999 at 16:36:34 (ZULU) 
Talked to an old 2112 buddy and he says that Unertl is going to build some 30 more scopes for the USMC. He also told me that Unertl does not depend on the sales of these scopes too much for funds as they do big buisness with NASA. SOmething about designing the Hubble Telescope.

John from Camp Lejuene. Trained and taught with both the USMC Unertl and the Leupold M3A and I can tell you that given an option for a mission I would take the M3A. Little stuff like quick adjust parallax, scope shade, finish, superior lens coatings, and a laser filter make a big difference.

gooch <>
USA - Thursday, February 04, 1999 at 15:10:55 (ZULU) 

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