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Sniper rifle shoot out:

Methinks maybe we need a OEM "Sniper rifle shoot out" to end this mines better than yours issue. What say you gentlemanly types out there?

like uh?

US Domestic Mfg only; Remington 700, Win. 70, "R" whatsit called" and SAV'AGES too.

.308 caliber/.223 caliber only.

cold barrel shots measured from POA to outside edge?

five round groups (c.t.c. or ?) 100, 300, 500, 700 yds?

five-reload-five (timed fire)

long range "best group" five rounds

just a thought, build on it dudes!

Chao for now,

BIG-CITY, bY-gAwD USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 09:03:20 (EST) 

Sounds like a good Idea to me. I would also like to see a match for the old battle rifles. Springfields, Enfields, Mausers, and Mosin Nagants, maybe an Arisaka or 2. I have access to a 12 firing point 100 and 200 yard covered range, and if I could get enough guys interested, I could make this happen. What do the rest of you think?
Steve <>
S.C.D.H., Ohio USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 09:24:04 (EST) 
HEY DUDE!!! I think you got somfin' here with your last post...
"Sniper rifle shoot out"

US Domestic Mfg only; Remington 700, Win. 70, "R" whatsit called" and SAV'AGES too.

I would add...

A - Factory BBls, factory stocks, after market triggers. You can
re-bed, or glass bed
No sighters or fowlers. You take it outa' the case, you shoot it.
Rifles bbls must be completly wet cleaned "before" each
group or section is fired.
B - .308 caliber/.223 caliber only.

Sniper Match
1 - 1 shot each on five targets at unknown ranges... 400mtrs to
1000mtrs, scored = sum of inchs POA to shot on 5 targets-low wins.
Range w/Mil-dots... (NO laser rangfinders)

Rifle Accuracy Match
2 - TEN round groups (5, clean it, 5) c.t.c. 300, 600, 1000mtrs?
Groups measured widest shots, scores from POA to outside edge?
3 - Five-reload-five @ 600mtrs. Score/time

You guys down on the mountain readin' this... how 'bout an east coast match to give dem bums out west a reason to come East.
(Shooters must bring their own 'possum, range supplies the charcoal)

Paul "Pablito" Coburn <>
USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 10:00:20 (EST) 

The thought of a postal match is a good one.

I don't have a problem with .308 to 700 yards, but everyone knows the poor little .223 won't make it that far.

My old ham radio buddy Bill R. could handle the stats. Sounds like he stays home on Saturday night. Is S.W. Kansas as boring as S.E. IL
on Saturday night, Bill?
Bill Wylde <>
Frozen - SE, IL USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 10:46:37 (EST) 

pete R. :
Excellent idea to have that rifle match but why limit it to only U.S. manufacture? I think it would be nice to compare the whole spectrum of rifles, U.S., foriegn, inexpensive and top of the line. The goal of this match should be the knowlege gained by comparing rifles.

Kodiak <>
USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 13:25:26 (EST) 

Guys, i meant .308 vs. .308/ .223 vs. .223 not apples n oranges crap, THE REAL DEAL.

BIG-CITY, BY-GAWD USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 14:14:48 (EST) 


My intent was to start small, minimize variables by using domestic produced, and then we could go from there......
Nothing meant against foreign and "best quality" rigs, just grassroots funshoots for all to learn skills from the Zen masters of the UKD zone.

Please guys, lets keep this one rolling and maybe we can turn it into something local, then regional, tomorrow ze vorld! I forsee about 50-100 rounds max. to give everyone a challenge,but get a bunch of folks through an event and happy.

Steve(Nato), A most excellent idea, especially after the Fred Fisher shoot-em up at Storm Mountain with the single shot rifle! Bring on the Dinosaurs, they can shoot in the right hands!


Together we can make it happen!
BIG-CITY, bY-gAWD USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 20:01:41 (EST) 

All: as far as a shoot off for factory guns. It's all in the barrel you get and the bedding/free floating you do and then the other 70% is in who what/what you shoot in it and how hard the wind blows. That's why they have shoots so often. It would be fun though! I guess a large sampling would be worth looking at.
I don't know ... you remember that scene from the Good, Bad, and the Ugly where they all three come together? I can see Gooch and Chuck and the that order.

B.Rogers <>
USA - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 22:46:04 (EST) 

Postal Match!!

I know that the M24 is not OEM but our monthly range days are next week and if the format is set by then, my boys and I would like to play.
One limitation: Max range for us is 735m.
Ammo would be M852.

This sounds like a hoot. I think we would get thumped, but some of us need a lesson in what real shooting is, NOT just knocking over a E-type on a pop up mechanisim.

Ed Engler <>
CP Grevious, Salivating Korea - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 02:21:28 (EST) 

On this Brand Shooting thing. Why not everyone who has a out of box Rem,Savage,Browning,Ruger whatever go out and shoot three 500 yard 3 shot groups all within 5 minutes, at 3 different 6" round bullseyes on white background. NO cleaning involved but groups numbered 1-3 number 1 being a clean barrel. Document the Rifle,the caliber, the load,& note wind direction and temperature. Send them to a designated judge to evaluate. Also would be nice to note status or interest/experience of the shooter. No personalities would enter the picture. Only a sincere interest to provide a sampling would be neccessary or welcome?
IF the purpose is to evaluate this might be a good experiment and everyone could probably participate at 500 yards and that's far enough to see variations in speed. Everyone Wins!

B.Rogers <>
USA - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 10:39:12 (EST) 

Some observations, BEST of.....whomever...There's always a faster gun!
We've taken up a lot of bytes trying to decide what this site is all about! We could clear the archives of that and double our memory left.
I have begun to believe male harmones have killed more snipers than about anything else.
A big high priced gun and scope doesn't a shooter/sniper make!
Anyone can be a sniper.....the meaning of the word depends on what value you put on it!
Gettin shot at or paid don't make you a good shot or an expert either!
Some guns might be better than others but nobody knows if there's one that always was/is!
Hunters ain't neccessarily be snipers but snipers better be hunters!
Sniping is a serious business but it is best pursued with a little humor lest it becomes a real dangerous bore!
SAVAGE is the stuff arguments are made of!
All good riflemen better be brothers or there won't be many riflemen afore long.

B.Rogers <>
USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 21:15:14 (EST) 

I think all of you with postal match ideas have hit onto something, but we also need a category for nothing later than WWII. It will give us Dinosaurs some pleasure, and some of you "wet behind the ears" types a chance to mess with antiques (the rifles as well). Any support for this out there?
Fred (the Dinosaur Dudester)
People's Rep. of , MD USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 12:57:38 (EST) 
A match for the old geezer rifles? Hmm...could prove interesting. Guess I'd better get this here No.1 Mk4 (T) zeroed in and stop fondling the darn thing. It will only do about 1.5 moa but try telling that to a boat load of dead Heers soldaten.
Oh, sorry Torsten! Hey, you can bring a G-43 with ZF4! And a Mauser 98k with an Ajax! This could be a pretty interesting match! Now, who is going to be the wise-ass that shows up with a Carcano? Bet Fred brings a Brown Bess...or a Whitworth! Gooch? Bet he brings a big slag ROCK.

Scott <>
USA - Wednesday, January 13, 1999 at 13:51:39 (EST) 


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