Shooting - Same rifle, different shooter, different zero:
Stirring the pot: Same rifle, different shooter, different zero. Fact or fiction? Some answers that I have heard lately have surprised me.
(Dave ducks back down and prepares to count crack-bang.)
San Jose, CA USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 18:09:46 (EST)
Dave the shit stirer - Same rifle, different shooter, different dope? Yes, maybe, no. It depends. If the shooters are both right/left handed, shoot from the same position, grip the weapon the same etc. thier zero will probably be pretty close to being the same. What I have found in the military is that when a couple of guys have been trained to shoot the same way our zero's have been real close/the same. Example, for the last three years I have shot the Canadian Forces Small Arms Championships with a different partner. 2 of those 3 years we had the same zero's. The difference? The two that I had the same zero's with learned to shoot at USMC sniper schools. THe other one came from a NRA highpower background.
Now that I think about it why can't I get the same partner each year? Is it because I can't read wind? My odor? The fact that I make them wear robins egg blue pumps? Hmmm... Maybe I had better think about this before I shoot with Rod next year.
USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 20:05:56 (EST)
Sarge looks at Gooch and asks,
On the same rifle, different shooter, same zero question - now I'LL stir the pot - my son is left handed, I'm right handed and yet we can use each others rifles interchangeably with not enough difference in our point of impacts to make a difference! If your statement about training is true could this be because I taught him to shoot? This holds true no matter our rifles - any of my Savages from the Tactical .308 to the .22-250 and the .22LR or HIS (right handed) Remington 700ADL in .308!
Now told you I was stirring the pot! Any explaination for this one!
Sarge waits for the answer!
Area 51, NM USA - Wednesday, November 25, 1998 at 20:43:04 (EST)
I shouldn't touch that Right/Left hand thing Sarge brought up. But if that gun is held reasonably good and floated right in the barrel dept. It won't vary much. The same shooter will get some variation between prone,sitting and bench that will probably be more than 2 good shooters will. That might be some of the difference between a good rifle and a bad one. Canting and other things aside.
USA - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 01:03:43 (EST)
My two spotters and I had very close zeros. For some reson I was half a minute to the left of them. On the other hand one of the rifle co's here is trying to start a sniper program back up and they sent two of their folks to our range. The lead shooters zero was about 2.5 MOA to the 11 from anyone else out there. I guess that is why everyone has there own book, eh?
CP Greaves, ROK - Thursday, November 26, 1998 at 03:56:08 (EST)
Question about scopes being the same for different people. Scopes are all set at some range for parallex on less they are adjustable. if you are shoting at the range for which they are set then the zero should be the same for anyone, but once you move to distances other than where the parallex is set for people will have different zeros because of different ways of holding the weapon" where thier eye is relative to the scope". People who have the same shooting hold and have little difference in thier distance from their eye to their cheek have little difference in where thier eye comes to rest relative to the scope and therefore have closer zeros.
Jeff Cooper <Lo Flyin@aol.com>
MEMphis, TN USA - Friday, November 27, 1998 at 15:18:46 (EST)
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